Our guests this week are Matt Chandler, lead pastor of the Village Church, and his wife, singer and songwriter, Lauren Chandler. These two are the real deal. We talked transparently about being parents, raising pastor’s kids, and what it looks like to be “all there” when we’re with our children. We also asked them what they do to cultivate joy in their marriage. From topics like technology, to how moms of young children can begin stepping outside of their four walls to pursue their dreams, the practical application goes beyond cookie cutter answers. Best of all, they share with us the joy and freedom found in being messy and inconsistent. This is an episode you will listen to more than once.